Damn you, Indecision!

My ultimate wireless photo upload setup

When I finally bought an Eye-Fi card, I thought it was going to be super cool, because I would be able to dump pictures from the camera to my laptop without needing to mess with card readers or USB cables.  Unfortunately it didn’t work out as planned.  Firstly, it didn’t handle file types other than JPEGs (I think with the firmware updates that have been released, Eye-Fi does handle RAW files, too, but don’t take my word for it).  Secondly, you couldn’t choose which pictures to send to the computer, or when you could upload them.  You basically were uploading whatever you shot after you put the Eye-Fi in the camera and started shooting.  If you were out shooting with the Eye-Fi card away from an AP and/or your home WiFi and computer, you couldn’t go back and select the pictures you took after you got back home.  Thirdly, you had to set up wireless APs beforehand; you couldn’t just scan for and use any old WiFi AP available (again this may or may not be addressed now by new firmware updates) on the fly.  And the worst part was that you couldn’t turn off wireless scanning if you knew you wouldn’t be in range of an open AP or knew you didn’t want to use wireless uploading for some reason.  I didn’t think about this when I went to this year’s Chicago auto show and realized that my LX3’s battery had died in about 15 or 20 minutes, even though I fully charged it the night before.  Luckily I had another battery and a different SD card to use.  At that point, I stopped using the Eye-Fi altogether. 

Now, it wasn’t exactly that incident that soured me on the Eye-Fi, though it was a big contributor.  Also, many of the limitations with the Eye-Fi result from the functionality being embedded in the card, not the camera.  So of course I know there’s a limit to what the Eye-Fi can do, given its form factor and how it was originally designed to work.  Some of the issues I mentioned have been addressed by firmware updates, and sometime in the near future I’ll revisit my Eye-Fi and see what I can and can’t do with it.  I’d be happy to retract all of my gripes if I find out they’ve all been fixed!

Actually, the main issue for me is that I normally like to edit my pictures before posting them online.  Mobile-wise, I really liked being able to take pictures with my Sony Ericsson P1i, then do some rudimentary editing with the built-in photo editing software.  I did some photo editing on my Nokia N95, but being limited to using the joystick to do editing, and the limitations of the app itself meant that I didn’t really use it much.  Processing photos was better on the P1i because of the touchscreen.  Also, I could optionally pen annotations right onto the photo.  I continued to do mobile photo editing with my iPhone.  At first the editing apps that showed up in the App Store were pretty useless for me — face melting, adding silly frames and cutesy little stamps. 😛  But eventually the category exploded and soon there were a ton of different photo processing apps, from utilitarian to whimsical, that piqued my interest.  I check that category from time to time for new apps to try.  I think it’s pretty cool how people have come up with some genuinely creative photo apps for the iPhone.

I’ve posted before that I have a couple pet photo editing apps that I love to use on the iPhone — Photogene and Tiffen’s Photo fx.  Photogene is more like a Photoshop-type editor, whereas Photo fx applies various filters to your picture.  Cropping was recently added to Photo fx, so if all you need to do before applying some filters is to crop the picture, you can do it all within Photo fx.  Anyway, the “problem” with this setup is that the iPhone’s camera is not as good as my favorite P&S — the LX3 — or my D90.  The iPhone is fine for moblog snapshots, but if I want to upload pictures from my other cameras, I have to wait until I’m home, sift through the pictures on the card, copy over the ones I want to edit, edit them, add title, description, and tags, and then upload them.  Or, do this on the go with my laptop and hope I can connect to a WiFi AP somewhere because I don’t yet have a MiFi or some other method to tether my laptop to a mobile broadband account. 

Perhaps you already know where this is going: my ultimate wireless picture-taking and uploading setup would be to take pictures with my LX3, D90 or any other digital camera, then wirelessly transfer certain pictures to some mobile device that would allow me to edit the picture, add metadata, then upload it.  Alternatively I could do the editing in-camera (both the LX3 and D90 seem to have some rather decent in-camera editing tools) and then just use the mobile device’s data connection to upload to Flickr or elsewhere.  I envision a couple different scenarios to accomplish this:

1. A device like an Eye-Fi or some other dongle connected to the camera communicates with my iPhone and either lets me copy the picture over to edit on the iPhone, or I edit the picture beforehand in-camera.  Then I use a photo uploader app on the iPhone to upload the picture to Flickr or wherever else via the iPhone’s 3G or WiFi connection.  For the briefest of moments, I thought perhaps that was what Eye-Fi’s iPhone app was going to enable.  How sorely disappointed I was when I found out it was basically an uploader like Flickit (my Flickr uploader of choice on the iPhone) for pictures taken with the iPhone.  WHAT? *facepalm* 

I understand that the Eye-Fi uploader could have been restricted by the iPhone’s SDK somehow, but it would’ve been awesome if Eye-Fi could’ve worked out a deal with Apple to implement the type of uploader I described.  Can you imagine how many people would consider the iPhone if it could act as a mobile broadband gateway for any camera using an Eye-Fi card?  What up, Eye-Fi?  Apple?

2. A mobile device such as the mythical (but hopefully soon-to-be real?) Mac tablet would be even better than a smartphone in this situation because it could have more processing power and more screen real estate in case I want to do more “serious” editing for a particular shot.  Then I could feasibly use Photoshop Elements or something else to do the editing and have the regular arsenal of tools at my disposal.  The touchscreen on the tablet would be like a Wacom tablet, enabling easier manipulation of the editing software with your fingers.

Before anybody balks at me, I realize that it may be possible to do scenario number 2 with a camera, an Eye-Fi, a laptop or netbook (or UMPC if you go that way *smirk*), and a MiFi.  I’m guessing that you would be able to set up the Eye-Fi to see and use the WiFi AP that the MiFi provides (if that’s what the MiFi does; I’m guessing).  That’s all well and good, but as I’ve realized when I’ve carried my MacBook with me along with all my camera gear to the yearly visit to the Detroit auto show, carrying all this stuff is friggin’ heavy!  A device smaller and lighter than my MacBook is preferred.  As an aside, I actually tried to use my N810 in a very kludgy setup with an external hard drive and a card reader to be a photo bin and/or a mobile photo uploader.  The setup never really worked, unfortunately, and it was too unwieldy with all of the cords and external devices to be useful in a mobile setting anyway. 😛

I would probably feel differently if I had a netbook with enough horsepower to run a photo editing app like Photoshop Elements.  That might be what I’m missing, along with the MiFi.  But I still am holding out for a Mac tablet as my dream device to be my photo editor and upload gateway.  It might not work as well as I planned if the Mac tablet ends up basically being a large-screened iPhone, running the embedded version of OS X.  In that case, the photo editing apps might be limited to those already found on the iPhone.  That’s okay for the most part, since I try not to do that much editing beyond cropping and a little bit of levels and shadow/highlight fixes.  But I would love something like a slate tablet computer that can do full Photoshop Elements or Aperture, if we’re talking about the ideal scenario.  I really liked editing photos in slate mode on my Tablet PC back in the day. 🙂  But I am primarily an OS X user now, hence my wish for a Mac tablet.  YMMV. 

I picked on the Eye-Fi a bit in my post, but really this semi-gripe applies to any of the cameras out there that have built-in WiFi or use dongles for WiFi connectivity.  Often these cameras are locked into specific online services as well, which make them even less useful for my personal workflow.  They never end up simply being a camera that connect to a wireless AP on the fly and upload pictures to any site.

One last thing: an alternate or parallel scenario is for the iPhone or some other cameraphone to have a decent enough camera so that I don’t have to use a separate camera.  However, given the technical restrictions on sensors and such, I don’t see any cameraphones in at least the next 2 or 3 years being as good as my LX3 or similar creative P&S with regards to low-light capability, fine detail, or depth of field, nor would they be as good as a DSLR.  However, an iPhone with at least a 5 or 6 MP camera, autofocus, macro mode, and modest optical zoom would be a great moblogging device.  I almost went with one of Sony Ericsson’s Cybershot models before I decided on the iPhone 3G because they are more like cameras with phones shoehorned into them.  I really like SE’s cameraphones, and as I mentioned in a previous post, the Satio is a phone I’m keeping an eye on.  But I’m so invested now in the iPhone and its apps (and iTunes) that it would take a pretty spectacular phone to pry me away from the iPhone family. 


9 responses

  1. How would you feel about a high-end camera attachment for the iPhone or iPod touch via the dock connector? Not a dongle, but more of a case, like the Juice Pack battery. I’ve been waiting for accessory makers to get cracking now that the dock connector was opened to app developers. I expect someone to come out with a bigger, better docked camera eventually, but so far, the only add-on I’ve seen to take advantage of this is a wired remote from Griffin.

    July 6, 2009 at 9:54 am

    • That would be pretty cool, if Apple isn’t quick enough with shoehorning a better camera into the iPhone. For most situations with good lighting, the iPhone 3GS’s camera would probably be good enough. But I’ve grown so attached to the awesome capabilities of my LX3 that I really would like an easier way of uploading pictures I take with it on-the-go. I have a TON of LX3 pictures just taking up space on my laptop and a couple external hard drives. Admittedly I am lazy, but part of it is because it’s such a PITA to have to transfer pictures to the computer first before uploading. If it were as easy for me to quickly upload a shot from the LX3 as it is for me to upload a shot from my iPhone, my photostream would be overrun with LX3 shots right now. :-/

      Anyway, I digress. That could be a super-awesome idea if some company like Sony or Nikon create a camera case for the iPhone… I already have the Mophie Air battery case and it’s pretty nice, but since I haven’t upgraded to the 3GS, I lost the ability to do “macro” shots now that I’m not using the Griffin Clarifi case. Phooey.

      And re: accessory makers taking advantage of the dock connector on iPhone 3.0 devices, I am totally waiting for that, too. I’ve seen how creative app developers have been; I’m sure the hardware manufacturers can be creative as well. I can envision a ton of iPhone accessories where the iPhone becomes the brains/UI for things like cameras, external GPSes, those medical devices that have been talked about before, car computers (the hubby’s waiting on an accessory that can read the car’s ECU and report all sorts of operating data), etc… Very cool stuff coming up soon, I think!

      July 6, 2009 at 11:16 pm

      • Zoltán


        Does anyone know any other software apart from Idruna’s Pocket Phojo (or using an eye-fi card) that will let you download images to the computer selectively? Connection through an USB cable.

        Thanks a lot,


        October 22, 2009 at 4:02 am

  2. Jezlyn, this is a very interesting post.

    You are right, we (Eye-Fi) have made a few updates that should help with a few of your ‘gripes’ 🙂

    1. Selective Transfer enables you to use the camera’s lock (or protect) feature to indicate which pictures you want transferred from your camera. You can learn more about that here: http://www.eye.fi/news/2009/06/15/control-what-leaves-your-camera/

    2. The Eye-Fi Pro that we announced on June 10 wirelessly uploads RAW files as well as JPEG photo and video file formats. It also has the ability to connect directly to your computer (ad hoc network) without requiring a router or Internet connection. More information here: http://www.eye.fi/cards/pro.html

    3. If you have a Symbian or Windows Mobile phone, you can use a soft access point client (like Joikuspot or WMWifirouter) on the phone to spawn an ad hoc network that the Eye-Fi Pro can connect to. This allows you to wirelessly upload your photos and videos wherever your phone has a data connection.

    4. Your observation on the iPhone is correct – the Eye-Fi Card cannot connect to the iPhone since the iPhonedoes not deploy its own network that the Eye-Fi Card can connect to.

    5. If you know the SSID and passwords of the APs you will have access to, you can set them up in advance. The Hotspot service also enables you to use truly open hotspots (that do not have a splash screen authorization). Since we don’t have a user interface on the camera, adding networks on the go is a challenge.

    6. We are working with camera manufacturers like Nikon, and Casio to provide you with more control like turning the Wi-Fi on or off through the menu. You can see a list of the cameras that support this type of functionality: http://www.eye.fi/overview/featured-cameras/.

    July 6, 2009 at 10:37 am

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  4. Ziv

    Great write-up. But let me make some corrections / additions, since you touched on so many valid points:

    * You can enable Selective-Share in the Eye-Fi Manager, and nothing will upload until you lock or protect the JPG’s or movies in your camera. This allows you to do a review cycle first, before having the best photos/movies upload to your computer or to the net

    * you’re right that the MiFi shows up as a hotspot. So with the MiFi in your pocket, with or without your Mac, you’re online, and everything that you shoot with, say, your D90, will go to the net. Next time that you turn on your Mac, the images will downsync from our servers to your Mac.

    * You can’t use the iPhone to tether wirelessly because it’s not a feature that’s open, yet, by Apple & AT&T.

    * You can use a WinMo (HTC running Windows Mobile, etc…) or a Symbian phone (Nokia) and run ad-hoc routers on those devices. With that software, your phone becomes a walking hotspot, and you can achieve the same functionality as the MiFi, without having to carry another device. But I have no idea how much the battery life will last on those WinMo devices, if you have both the Wi-Fi and the 3G radio turned on. So carry an extra battery.

    * The only card that supports ad-hoc (so that you could connect to Symbian or WinMo devices) is the Pro card. So to take advantage of ad-hoc connections straight to your mac or straight to a phone, you’ll need the Pro card. BUT, if you have the MiFi device, or a CradlePoint with an 3G modem, any Eye-Fi Card would work, and all of our cards support Selective Share.

    * There is another system that costs more, which is made by Idruna. It’s called Pocket PhoJo and allows you to stream your images to the WinMo phone that’s on you, and then someone else, remotely, can view the thumbnails in real-time, and download the high-res images, on-demand. It’s a high-end system that’s geared to photo journalists.

    Hope this helps 🙂

    July 6, 2009 at 5:31 pm

  5. Ziv and Randhir: Thanks for your replies. I will definitely try out the Eye-Fi in my D90 since it’s listed as “Eye-Fi Connected”.

    However, regarding needing an Eye-Fi Pro for certain features like ad-hoc networking or RAW uploads, I’m a little disappointed that this is the case. I bought my Eye-Fi card (anniversary edition) knowing it only would transfer JPEG files, but figured RAW file support would be added in a future firmware update. I know that most other companies wouldn’t even offer any firmware updates, so it’s commendable that Eye-Fi has pushed out updates for current owners of Eye-Fi cards. However, my disappointment (and at least one other owner of an Eye-Fi card) is shortly discussed in this FriendFeed thread: http://ff.im/3O5bp

    I hope the Eye-Fi devs take this to heart. It’s one thing if you offer major functionality updates in newer cards, but forcing users to upgrade to a Pro card in order to transfer over RAW files seems a bit much. As one commenter said in the FriendFeed thread, I would consider paying an upgrade fee to add certain minor features to the Eye-Fi card I already have, but needing to buy a new card altogether is irritating, IMO.

    July 6, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    • Hi Jezlyn, thanks for your upgrade request. We do try and balance the features we can provide as free upgrades (like selective transfer, increasing wireless transfer speeds, increasing the number of online sharing sites, etc.), as paid upgrades (like hotspots and geotagging) and those that do require new cards.

      You can read more about this topic and our response on our forums:

      We hope you enjoy the Eye-Fi Card in your D90 (it is one of my favorite cameras!)

      July 7, 2009 at 11:41 am

  6. Ziv

    Fair question. There is a good (and heated) discussion about this, on our forum:




    July 7, 2009 at 1:32 am

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